如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

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如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章OldCake » 2010-11-11, 09:19

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內容有笑談一則, 話如果 AA & HCB 未死,今日用DC影相的話......

亞當斯一定用 raw, 而布列松就用 jpg 算......... :mrgreen:

老餅在想........

AA 一定用 M mode.....MF......

咁..........HCB 又會否連打?? :?:
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章mickey_mouse » 2010-11-11, 09:44

Probably AA will also use HDR if necessary.
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章OldCake » 2010-11-11, 09:51

mickey_mouse 寫:Probably AA will also use HDR if necessary.


應該會......

但.......我見識少......睇D HDR 相多數好假下......太重手 :banghead:
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章Peter LO » 2010-11-12, 09:37

It'd be difficult, if not possible, to say how AA and HCB would use DC if they were still alive, especially when file format is concerned.

AA emphasized visualization, which is underpinned by Zone System, an exposure-cum-processing-based tone curve tweaking technique. As this technique aims at minimizing the need for post-processing, I wonder if he'd use raw if the latter incurs extra work-flow. That said, as an important figure of the F/64 Group, AA may still choose raw for that extra bit of resolution. On a side note, I think AA will enjoy Scene Recognition , an integrated exposure-cum-curve tweaking technique in modern cameras. In fact, I always suspect that data of AA's masterpieces are included in the system's scene database.

And probably AA will switch to use D/G lenses if he uses Nikon system, to take the full advantage of Scene Recognition - visualization result of thousands photos.

HCB, on the other hand, emphasized Decisive Moment. It has nothing to do with file format. On the other hand, HCB may find Face Recognition helpful in saving efforts in pre-determinating focus point - as long as it doesn't cause extra shutter lag that spoils the decisive moment.

As for HDR, the typical (ugly!) HDR look is caused by the process of tone mapping, rather than the extension of dynamic range, which can only lower contrast. And the crazy crank up of saturation doesn't help too. In fact, there were extended tonal range developers in AA time, a case in point was POTA, which could extend the latitude to 13 stops. BUT AA never used it. Why? Because squeezing a long latitude into the limited density range of photographic materials will only produce very, very flat result, which is not appealing at all. So I'd say the latitude of current sensors (9 stops, plus Zone 0 at "0" and Zone X at "255") should be adequate to produce tones as beautiful as AA's, with the right subjects and if you expose with CARE.

"CARE" is the most difficult attribute to achieve in digital age though...
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章hiker » 2010-11-13, 10:50

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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章香港至NET超人 » 2010-11-13, 11:05

當然朗靜山未死時受訪問, 頸上掛的是EOS.
唔化果D點算係大師呢, 死擁護乜O野黃金歲月, 只係怕重新開始時所帶來的失敗感.
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章Peter LO » 2010-11-13, 14:38



平左wor。
之前問八個幾。
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章Peter LO » 2010-11-13, 14:41

香港至NET超人 寫:當然朗靜山未死時受訪問, 頸上掛的是EOS.
唔化果D點算係大師呢, 死擁護乜O野黃金歲月, 只係怕重新開始時所帶來的失敗感.
相機只係工具, 工具唔應該操控作者, 作者亦唔應該因有某些工具而限制創作.


Well said 老超。 =D> =D>
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章OldCake » 2010-11-13, 19:37

噢...............大家誤會我想討論 film vs dc..... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章香港至NET超人 » 2010-11-14, 15:17

OldCake 寫:噢...............大家誤會我想討論 film vs dc..... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

只是載體唔同, 操作略有分別.
其實老餅你都數碼化啦, 我也是, 好多大底兄弟都有數碼化, AA也用過蝦嫂及讚賞過吧.
現在連一向大底及黑白憤的發哥都數碼化.

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G炭5+G5板, SLIK PRO4, M074+G5板, CT3371+G3板, G1227+M438, C297+G1270M, V640+PH273;
C127+G1板, 614CF+R25BH, TILTALL JUNIOR, M390套, M728套, 444SPOT套, 笨仔鴨腳, FLATBOY;
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章mickey_mouse » 2010-11-14, 17:05

香港至NET超人 寫:
OldCake 寫:噢...............大家誤會我想討論 film vs dc..... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

只是載體唔同, 操作略有分別.
其實老餅你都數碼化啦, 我也是, 好多大底兄弟都有數碼化, AA也用過蝦嫂及讚賞過吧.
現在連一向大底及黑白憤的發哥都數碼化.

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More like a paid PR activity.
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章香港至NET超人 » 2010-11-14, 21:41

mickey_mouse 寫:More like a paid PR activity.

未必, 發哥從來唔做攝影硬件既代言人, 就算講玩相機都係好低調.
我的腳架蝦兵蟹將, 輕輕鬆鬆廿年良伴:
G炭5+G5板, SLIK PRO4, M074+G5板, CT3371+G3板, G1227+M438, C297+G1270M, V640+PH273;
C127+G1板, 614CF+R25BH, TILTALL JUNIOR, M390套, M728套, 444SPOT套, 笨仔鴨腳, FLATBOY;
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章mickey_mouse » 2010-11-14, 21:53

香港至NET超人 寫:
mickey_mouse 寫:More like a paid PR activity.

未必, 發哥從來唔做攝影硬件既代言人, 就算講玩相機都係好低調.


this time, he went with a large group of newspaper reporters and also TVB..................
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章OldCake » 2010-11-15, 08:30

香港至NET超人 寫:
OldCake 寫:噢...............大家誤會我想討論 film vs dc..... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

只是載體唔同, 操作略有分別.
其實老餅你都數碼化啦, 我也是, 好多大底兄弟都有數碼化, AA也用過蝦嫂及讚賞過吧.
現在連一向大底及黑白憤的發哥都數碼化.

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要問下 Jack ........發哥有無因此放棄 8x10....... :idea:

老超......我不是想傾用乜載體......... :oops:

係用乜態度...... :oops:
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Re: 如果 AA & HCB 未死, 今曰會點用DC?

文章香港至NET超人 » 2010-11-16, 11:08

OldCake 寫:要問下 Jack ........發哥有無因此放棄 8x10....... :idea:
老超......我不是想傾用乜載體......... :oops:
係用乜態度...... :oops:

如果係因為唔同載體有唔同態度, 個攝影人根本就無認真過, 一直都係玩玩下.
我的腳架蝦兵蟹將, 輕輕鬆鬆廿年良伴:
G炭5+G5板, SLIK PRO4, M074+G5板, CT3371+G3板, G1227+M438, C297+G1270M, V640+PH273;
C127+G1板, 614CF+R25BH, TILTALL JUNIOR, M390套, M728套, 444SPOT套, 笨仔鴨腳, FLATBOY;
仲有後備: CAMBO BALL, FOBA MINI, G1270, G0板, M128, V51Q.........
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